ty elsewere; i said so much i surprised also. when i brought up the july 26 convention in the ural mountains in russia . he was shocked i knew about what happened just last week. he didn't know about it. i started talking about the russian court case, the state in russia that left georgia last year. ubestastain , ka cockistain , etc. spelling. he could not keep up with me. i told him he would be reading about it next year in the wt. and to remember who told him first. we talked about a lot more i pressed him on the fds and new light etc. i was totally stumped he didn't one time defend the wt. all he defended was the watermelon that some jw donated, so they can have a nice dessert. john
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bethel tour today. what a joke
by johnny cip ini drive past patterson about once a month.
and read here about tours there.
so i stopped.
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bethel tour today. what a joke
by johnny cip ini drive past patterson about once a month.
and read here about tours there.
so i stopped.
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johnny cip
i drive past patterson about once a month. while working. and read here about tours there. so i stopped. it was only me and i got a personnal tour. any here who read my posts know i'm pretty rough with jw's. but i kept my cool knowing i would get my moments. the first thing i noticed , was the size and amount of $$$$$$$ spent to build this place. you can't see from the road. as i was waiting for the tour i was looking for pictures of farkel,mini, danny, skally, me etc. on the wall of the most wanted.! first he showed me a painting of cornelus. and i told him he was a roman soldier (a captian) and jesus called him a man of god. he didn't get it yet. next was the theather 1800 seats one of the nicest i've ever seen and i live in nyc. i was asking about the $$$$$$$$$$ to build this. he still didn't get it. so i asked him if they showed the new spiderman movie yet? he goes into the wt study they have there on monday night. that's when i asked him if the fds, really writes these mag's .he says no . i thought the gb writes these mag's and books. no it's the writing comm. and not annointed etc. he's catching on.could it be the cross i wear around my neck? next it's the waterfall shaped like a watchtower. i busted out laughing when he told me , the water would not flow over evenly, till they made it look like a wt.680 gallons a minute. in the laundry the fun starts. i ask him how much they pay for it how? oh it free now! i ask about the $14 a month bethelite pay ? he comes up with $110 a month and how that has to do with the subway fare in n.y.c . i slip in how the I>R>S> told wt accounts about 7 years ago ,any one taking a vow of poverity has to recieve@$100 a month. Now he wakes up . we go into this a little and he tells me he's an electrical engineer working for bethel for 18 years. i'm saying what a fool, and point out he could make $!00 before lunch any day working ibn the union. his eyes are opening and figures he's in for more. next is the display about how many langues they print in 230 for the wt aND ONLY 31 OF THE BIBLE . i bring up that the gideons and american bible soceity print in about 2500 languages. he was shocked. with 59 million bibles placed in 2002. . next it was about the print of the mag's and he said .60 cents to print each. . he backed away when i told him in 1991 i cost the wt about 3-4 cents each to print slave labor ,ink,paper ,and all next was the display of props they use to take pictures in the daniel book. he had no answers about the 2520 days or 1914 or 1919 the picture of the wild beast or why the wt joined the U.N.. at this point he started asking me questions?we got into wt legal , russia conventions. tax in france,norway, child molestors, the hughes case, glen how. etc etc he spend an extra 20 minutes talking to me after the tour was over. . this man was truly nice, and i knew enough to make this man think and question. and i thank you all here and elsewere for me giving a great witness ... john
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RUSSIA: Jehovah's Witness congress broken up
by Elsewhere inthis article was published by f18news on: 27 july 2004russia: jehovah's witness congress broken up
by geraldine fagan, moscow correspondent, forum 18 news service
since 1996, jehovah's witnesses have held an annual urals regional congress in the yekaterinburg city stadium.
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johnny cip
have to hand it to those russians. THEY ARE ON THE BALL. I'M sure jesus is using these officials, to keep the name of jehovah clean in russia. any music played over the loud speakers, is better that listening to the wt drag jehovah and jesus through the MUD. one country at a time ,jesus is shuting out the craptower. i personally thank jehovah for his loving kindness closing down a wt convention. best news i heard all week. john
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south america, jw's new victim??
by the mole inis the growth rate reported by the jw's are third world countries?
is south america really listening?
is africa really wanting the jw's to come to thier huts?
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johnny cip
i would think that other christian missionaries that bring , food, doctors, clothes,dig wells, inprove the quaility of life . of the truely poorest of poor. would be more welcome than someone that just shows up with book. i have run into many jw's from third world countries. i allways ask them what charity work is the wt doing in your home country. i never get an answer. these dub's think making disciples of the wt is charity work. go figure. john
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i can remember going to white castle as a kid, and sitting at the counter , and they would bring you your burgers , on a real dish, also they would come into the parking lot and put a tray on your half rolled down car window. drive-in style. mom never let me have cheese burgers, i think she was too cheap. now that i pay i allways order cheese burgers with extra pickles. but the new fried white castle came out with about 10 years ago , are not as good as the old shoe string ones they used to have. there is a place in jersey on route 1 called WHITE MANNA. very similiar to white castle. small burgers but more meat. maybe rr has been there. plus white castle is the only game in town at 4 in the morning and you only have $3.52 cents in your pocket. john
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Idea for when "Beware the Voice of Strangers" is studied
by joenobody inafter reading the "beware the voice of strangers" article, a thought occurred to me.
it has been suggested in the past that a number of board members ought to attend a particular meeting all on the same day.
why not on the sunday when this article is studied?
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seattle: great idea have a tee shirt printed up, ask me about cult mind control. buttons would be nice also. i take 5 of those shirts. you guys are to much . i would be great to get group of local apostates together. and all go to the wt study and totally freak out the dubs with some of our answers. any one in the bronx or lower westchester area , like to go with me. i'll do it. john
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Update after talking to family services.
by BLISSISIGNORANCE ini rang family services this afternoon.. the woman i spoke to was very helpful and honest.. firstly i told her i had rung because the person that abused my child had been seen by me pushing a toddler in a pram and by a friend of mine tickling and touching children at the meetings.
i expressed how fearful i am for the children in the congo.. she wanted the pedos name, my name, my kid's name etc.
she asked what he did to my kid and when i told her she said he was an abuser..........no kidding!
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wow bliss; your doing fine. the only other thing you can do at this point, inform as many dubs at this guys hall. here and idea for you , you could go to the court house and ask if this pig. has a criminal record. never know someone may have taken him to court on this pedo stuff. and you don't even know about it. may want to ask child welfare to look into this for thier records. stay strong and show no quarter. john
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Opinions on a letter i am sending my family
by jaredg inhey guys.
both my mom, dad and sister have asked me to write them with my reasons and concerns for leaving the wts.
this is what i wrote them.
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chevy makes a good point, her letter helped her mom soften up a bit. why? imo it showed her mom she did real research . hard to argue with , no matter how much they use the new light line and willy i think is right move the love of family part up to the top of the letter. draw them in before you drop the bomb.. off topic. anyone see that doctumentury (spelling) on t.v. on the cross vs the stake. some professor did were he tied college students. up on a stake , and they can't breathe after 3-10 minutes. were tied on a cross they can stay there for hours or days. something to do with the lung functions, muscles etc. i remember seeing this on t.v. a few years ago . after seeing that i was convinced the wt was wrong . any one else see this. john
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Opinions on a letter i am sending my family
by jaredg inhey guys.
both my mom, dad and sister have asked me to write them with my reasons and concerns for leaving the wts.
this is what i wrote them.
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johnny cip
jt is right about info overload, on the other hand, you never know , what's going to click in a jw's mind. it could be the line about tonsilitious (spelling) or asprin, may be dad knows some family member that was sick for years with bad tonsils. till cut out. the golden age stuff is great ,really throws jw's for a loop and i think it's the jan 1 1994 wt that calls what was printed in the golden age incontravertible facts. that would be great to add to the letter shows flat out they lie about their history. i allways say plant as many seeds as you can with one day in the field . if they try to blow it off, i would tell them , that was only the tip of the iceberg. if they want to learn more you will be happy to inform them. by the way great letter... john
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Well................I rang the elder.....................
by BLISSISIGNORANCE in...............except he's no longer an elder!
i knew he'ld been removed after my reinstatement (about 4 years ago) because he had expressed to dubs regret over the handling of my case, how i was treated, etc.
so the big elder (po) who wanted me silenced and set up the whole jc and witnesses, had little elder removed.
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good work bliss: hope you can find a way to let the whole cong. know about this man. maybe flyers put on each car while that are at a meeting? what ever up do make it LOUD. JOHN